Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 1:28 pm
any class winger and a proven goalscorer id guess.
then they get the chances and someone puts them away
silva, fernandez, zhirkov, maxi rodrigez
and then a goalscorer would suit united easy imo
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 1:40 pm
Ribery...
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 1:44 pm
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Ribery...
many many many millions, not really sir alex stylee is it?
thats all you need, skill, can dribble like a king, can finnish and hits a free kick properly and maybe more effectively that ron would cost pennies in comparison to ribery, hes 2 footed and allows utd to get a massively good goalscoring striker.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 2:00 pm
That being said, with Nani at the club it might be the break he needs, right now he doesn't look as good as Ronaldo but it could be just the right move at the right time
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 4:48 pm
Seen Ribery play at the World Cup, he's a good player but not worth £30-40 million. I know it won't happen but I think Arshavin could be a good signing. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head but I do think Messi would take quite a while to adjust to the English style of play.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 6:18 pm
Ronaldo is irreplaceable (unless we got Messi)
Theres nobody except Messi on his level. No matter how much any fan hates him, you cant deny he is one of the few truely world class players, and if we sold him, would we really be AS successful this season? He always gets important goals (Aston Villa, Spurs, Arsenal are just 3 games recently)
If we were to sell him, Id rather we gave Tosic and Nani a chance, rather than throw money away on Ribery or David Silva. I think with a good run in the team (like 20 games), Nani would be a great player, but with our squad rotation he wont get that. Maybe we should loan him out for next season so his progress can continue.
And Matias Fernandes is not (yet) good enough for United in my opinion, although he is a terrific prospect. He would cost at least £15m as well, which is not worth spending when we have Nani, Tosic, and Adem Ljajic to come on January.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 6:43 pm
get mati while you can I say
ronaldo is replaceable if you have a goal scoring striker who will net 20-30 goals as then more crosses will be coming in instead of ronaldo having pop shots constantly.
will change the way you play dramaticly if ronaldo goes, for the better id say too.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 7:58 pm
Messi is a far better player both individually and for the team than Ronaldo, anyway, Bazz follows United everywhere, goes to most of the games, if he says Ronaldo is replaceable then I'm more than willing to listen to him since he sees him week in week out
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 8:27 pm
Messi is not a far better player.
Ronaldos main attributes are
Power Pace Long shots Heading Free kicks Dribbling Crossing when he can be bothered Goals (top scorer again)
Messi has 3 of them
Ribery and David Silva are nowhere near as good as Ronaldo, and are being way overpriced as well (£60m and £30m)
I agree about our way of playing would change, because
We would have to play and out and out striker who we would rely on the goals of Or Buy a striker like Torres (but not him) and play Rooney on the wing, so we can retain our style of play and still have a player who scores goals. Obviously the 2nd option would be more favourable, but I can't think of any good priced striker who we could get (David Villa is way overpriced). Only Kun Aguero, but Im not sure what type of striker he actually is.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 8:36 pm
Your saying Ronaldo is better than Messi, thats just biased BS, cant really have a discussion if someone is so biased!, anyone who can list Free Kicks as an attribute makes the bias laughable!
Beckham was far superior for Free Kicks, far more accurate and a far better success rate
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 8:51 pm
How is what I wrote bias? Some people are blinded by his petulance and arrogance, and the fact he plays for United.
And where did I say he was better? All I said was Messi is not a far better player.
Messi has disappeared in both games versus United, all the games versus Chelsea, and he disappeared versus Liverpool. And people say its Ronaldo thats the big game bottler.
Ronaldo has scored 26 goals in a season without a preseason and the first month out with an ankle injury, and apparently he has got nowhere near top form. If he gets to top form next season, well take absolutely everything.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 8:55 pm
This could get Messi
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 9:27 pm
"How is what I wrote bias? Some people are blinded by his petulance and arrogance, and the fact he plays for United."
Everything about anything you write regarding Manchester United is bias! thats easily noticable!
"where did I say he was better"
Ronaldos main attributes are
Power Pace Long shots Heading Free kicks Dribbling Crossing when he can be bothered Goals (top scorer again)
Messi has 3 of them
You list Ronaldo's attributes then nonchalontly say "Messi has 3 of them"
laughable!
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 9:48 pm
Are you telling me Messi doesnt have 3 of them attributes? Am I wrong here?
Theres a difference between bias and common knowledge, and it is common knowledge Ronaldo is one of the best player in the world. It isnt bias of me to say this.
Hows this for some bias. Stephen Ireland should have won YPOTY. Oh wait it isnt bias, its common knowledge...
Well see in a weeks time who is better between Ronaldo and Messi.
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 9:58 pm
Power Pace - Messi has this. Long shots - Messi has this Heading Free kicks - Messi can take these Dribbling - Messi has this Crossing when he can be bothered - Messi has this Goals (top scorer again) - Messi has this
Thats six, not three
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 10:29 pm
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Theres a difference between bias and common knowledge, and it is common knowledge Ronaldo is one of the best player in the world. It isnt bias of me to say this.
Well see in a weeks time who is better between Ronaldo and Messi.
Who said Ronaldo isn't one of the best players in the world?????????? NEWS FLASH..... He is, what I said was he ISN'T irreplaceable, a guy who goes to almost every Man Utd game and had a good grasp of what he is talking about wants him out, I'll take his word for it since he actually sees what he produces week in week out
As for your "we'll see in a weeks time who's better"
What a stupid statement that was, Alan Shearer was the best English Striker produced in the last 30 years yet his winners medals would call BS on that opinion!
If your going to use winners medals as a definition of how good a player is then you can safely say Darren Fletcher is better than Bryan Robson since he has won more league titles and the European Cup, which despite Fletch really coming onto a game these past 18 months will never be in the same class as Robson
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 10:34 pm
messi would shite on ronaldo dribbling as dribbling isnt standing around flicking your boots around, its ducking weaving keeping the ball close and getting somewhere at pace.
ronaldo does straight lines then skill.
you are bias, you know when I said I can talk to people like bazz about united but not you ste, its because you just insist this ultimate utd bias upon people.
its like you are trying to convince us that your not a glory hunter or trying to make us believe what you do.
no one is blinded by his arrogance, you are blinded by the fact he is in a utd shirt
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:23 pm
Whenever I have watched Messi (which is about 25 times), his long shots are weak and never on target, he has never taken a freekick (when I have watched him), Barca obviously have somebody better.
his crossing is non existent as he always, ALWAYS cuts inside and does a short pass on the floor to Henry, Eto'o, Xavi or Iniesta. Either that or he trys to find a shooting opportunity. Jose Bosingwa and Ashley Cole had the better of him (his pass to Iniesta was from the left wing, rather than the right).
Anytime he has come up against a good left back, he has been bullied out the game. If Gaurdiola is clever, he will stick him on the left for the final, even if he is weaker there. He would have more chance of getting past Sheasy rather than Evra.
Kay, I didnt mean which player wins the final, I meant who performs better on the biggest stage in the world!
And going to games doesnt mean you know more about football. Does this mean that a guy who can afford a season ticket knows more than somebody who cant?
And yes, Messi is a better dribbler, but like I said before, when he comes up against a good left back, he disappears. No, this isnt saying Ronaldo doesnt disappear. Far from it. I know Ronaldo does. But Ronaldo doesnt bottle it in almost every big game like Messi has.
And of course Im biased. I think Ronaldo is the best in the world, therefore I must be biased!!!
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:29 pm
And going to games doesnt mean you know more about football. Does this mean that a guy who can afford a season ticket knows more than somebody who cant?
just
again your argument focus' on the WRONG point lol, no one said, "going to games makes you know more about football" THIS is why you are getting THIS response from people. wakey
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:42 pm
Well, it has been said that because Bazz is able to go to most of the games and I cant, that his opinion is more valid than mine.
How about all the corporate people who attend games, and all the daytrippers? Do they know more than me, just because they can attend way more regularly?
And why is it being said I am a glory hunter?
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:43 pm
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his crossing is non existent as he always, ALWAYS cuts inside and does a short pass on the floor to Henry, Eto'o, Xavi or Iniesta. Either that or he trys to find a shooting opportunity. Jose Bosingwa and Ashley Cole had the better of him (his pass to Iniesta was from the left wing, rather than the right).
Chelsea played a very tight tie, their was very little space, as for your assesment of Messi's 'skills' if you watched Barca have as much as you claim you do then you would know that they very rarely play high balls into the penalty box, Eto'o is good in the air but not great, and Henry has never been good in the air, Barca are a small team, his crossing ability is good though, I'm sure his Argintine team mate Tevez would agree though, also, FYI the cut back is a form of a cross, and his long range shooting, I've seen him score a few goals outside of the box this season, he has 37, sure some of them would have been crackers
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And going to games doesnt mean you know more about football. Does this mean that a guy who can afford a season ticket knows more than somebody who cant?
I never said that going to games was the be all and end all, however like it or accept it or not, going to games does give you a better view of things panning out and unfolding in front of your eyes, even better than the TV which tends to follow the ball, and when someone who goes to all the games comes out with this belief that he should be off in the summer then I will take that opinion all the time, he is nowhere near the player he was a year ago
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And of course Im biased. I think Ronaldo is the best in the world, therefore I must be biased!!!
And their in lies why this discussion is destined for doom
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:46 pm
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Well, it has been said that because Bazz is able to go to most of the games and I cant, that his opinion is more valid than mine.
How about all the corporate people who attend games, and all the daytrippers? Do they know more than me, just because they can attend way more regularly?
And why is it being said I am a glory hunter?
I never said he knows more than you, I said I will take someone who goes to all the games opinions before yours, and why????? well I have already explained that, I never miss my teams games either, so know what I'm talking about when I'm trying to discuss pro's and cons of the team and not what you happen to catch on TV
Here we go, the sob stories, the corporate people who attend games could know more than you, how do you know they dont? just because they are rich enough to attend doesn't mean they know nothing about whats happening, I'm sure some of them will be clueless but their will be others who will be clued up
I never called you a glory hunter, I couldn't care less why you support Man U
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:50 pm
I slipped the naughty glory word in, utd fans like this begin to annoy me (not glory hunters if that offends you) but you know "cunts"
who will replace neville, you need a right back who is able to last now surely? no more sticking with bit part players? what are your thoughts on this?
defense minded right back, or attacking right back, or a mix? giving you a chance now
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Wed May 20, 2009 11:58 pm
I really like the boy Rafeal, I think he is the long term right back for United, that being said they could do a lot worse than go for Glen Johnson but with O'Shea Rafeal Wes Brown (if he ever gets fit) and Gary Neville then I'm not sure they will really need a right back
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Subject: Re: Shredding his Legacy at every turn Thu May 21, 2009 12:01 am
How is cutting inside a cross?
Henry not good in the air? Ive seen him score a few goals in the air, and doesnt look that bad when he gets up.
When Ive seen Messi attempt a cross, its generally way overhit, or doesnt beat the first man. And Ive never seen him score a long range shot. A couple from just outside, but never a 30 yard screamer.
And me not being able to afford a season ticket isnt a "sob story". Its a fact.