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PostSubject: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 11:37 am

i thought it was pretty good.

a bit disapointed that jeff hardy did'nt win the belt a bit fed up of hhh winning all the time.

missed the ecw match but at least matt hardy won that one.

and whats this with chris jerico winning the world heavyeight championship not good lol.

i think at wm25 hbk will kick his arse ad win the whc belt.

punk will fight randy orten and the undertaker will fight te bigshow.

i know these matches area bit predictable but they should be good matches.

prob mark henry will fight matt hardy for the ecw tiltle.

how do you guys think it went and what will the wm25 match card look like?
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 11:43 am

1st thing first stick a spoiler on this please.


I have watched it now it was ok.

HHH keeping the title was a bit of a shock did not think that would happen.

Shows heel turn could be good but it does keep Taker away from the title.

WHC this was a feckin joke on this
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:21 pm

as soon as jericho came out i knew he was going to fluke the win
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:42 pm

Seeing Jericho as champ is always good but I have two issues with it.

1. WTF happened with CM Punk? The injury was obviously kayfabe so thats a real shitty way to get dumped from the title.

2. Jericho is in the middle of possibly the best feud of the year with HBK, it didnt need the title involved, it was strong enough without the title being in it. The only reason I can see Jericho getting the title is so he loses it rather quick due to HBK interference to escalate the story further.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:43 pm

A very predictable show, until the WHC match where they pulled the old bait and switch. HBK vs Jericho was a fantastic match though, and I'm glad to see Jericho as champ again, it's about bloody time, it was probably the weakest of the scramble matches though, which is understandable considering the lack of talent in the match.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:47 pm

Am now very much expecting Jeff to get to wear the strap before the year is out after last night.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:49 pm

cant read too much of article as ive not watched main event yet lol.

but off the last comment - Kendrick did a career worth of work last night, sqaushed some people, then jobbed out, was miraculas
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 12:58 pm

I am so confused about the WHC what the hell happened
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 1:07 pm

Topic closed Everytime, I see this updated I am tempted to open this Mad and I HAVE NOT WATCH IT!

One good thing is that Jericho won!

I think WWE booked Jericho to win to make his feud more intense with HBK! Yes it was good even without the title but with the title in game, it makes it more "personal" and more fun to watch!
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 1:30 pm

macclads wrote:
Seeing Jericho as champ is always good but I have two issues with it.

1. WTF happened with CM Punk? The injury was obviously kayfabe so thats a real shitty way to get dumped from the title.

2. Jericho is in the middle of possibly the best feud of the year with HBK, it didnt need the title involved, it was strong enough without the title being in it. The only reason I can see Jericho getting the title is so he loses it rather quick due to HBK interference to escalate the story further.

They wanted to strip the title from Punk without loosing credits. But the result is, that we see, what Y2J has to take and still gets the title somehow. But Punk just took some punches and kicks and becomes unable?? What a shit!!!! b No
This has one good thing left: Jericho and HBK can keep his fued. Normal fueds end with a long injury or with the win of the face. This was an interesting way, to keep that fued. Remind of this little interview by HBK, that he's going at home right now. I thought, what do they want to tell me with this... and than later it made click!!

But what I really want is an explaination, why the hell they choosed Jericho? Sure, the storyline, but didn't they want to show a more realistic show? This was the end of selling the show better..

But let's not forget the man of the evening: The Brian Kendrick did very well! It was a nightmare, that he had to do the job. I was surely expecting this, but he was absolutely good and will get better chances, if they're not going to ruin this gimmick...
Without Kendrick the match wasn't need to be seen..

But this PPV leaves us with questions. No further explainations for Kane/Rey/Batista. Why attacked Rey Batista? What has Kane done to Rey? This might become the worst fued of the year...
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 1:50 pm

i think the brian kendrick came out of his match well, i may be wrong but i think he held the provisional championship for the longest, which is something he could use to build his character well
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 2:01 pm

btw

Jericho reminded me of Breht Hart at WM XI.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 3:41 pm

Why was Triple called 'officially a 13 time Champion' when they had said that title reigns during the match didn't count. He entered as champ and left as champ, surely that makes him an 11 time champ.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 3:59 pm

You forgot he is especial mcfry!
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:08 pm

Things are different for H Marty you know that.

Unforgiven good or bad?

I thought it was shit, the ECW scramble was actually the best of the 3, up until the last 5mins were it became total clusterfuck.

Funny how the champ had an 80% chance of losing, and low and behold who is the only champion to keep his belt?? if they really wanted to push the scramble idea, they should of had all belts change hands...............guess it pays too have creative control.

HBK/Jericho was a massive let down, before the match Lillian announced that the ONLY way to lose this so called unsanctioned match was by pin/submission, and yet how does it end?? Ref stops it for next to nothing, total bullshit, HBK basicly beat up two guys while injured. Rolling Eyes

Dunno why they pulled that shit with punk, but I don't see how its to "save his credibility" when if they wanted to do that, they could of just had him lose the belt without being pinned.

TNA has nothing on the shittyness of this crap.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:11 pm

Do you mean that TNA is better at times???
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marty mcfry wrote:
Why was Triple called 'officially a 13 time Champion' when they had said that title reigns during the match didn't count. He entered as champ and left as champ, surely that makes him an 11 time champ.

depends on how you count.
I counted 12
5 & 7 of the majortitles.

But could also be 19 if you count the TT and the lower titles..

http://cagematch.de/?id=2&nr=496&view=titles#menu
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:14 pm

Dunno, I don't watch it anymore.

I mean the booking was at TNA levels of crap.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:15 pm

But one thing remains:
Haven't ever heard of a a title took, just because you get punted 5 Mins before your match.

what will they do in the rematch?
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:25 pm

i cant see much point in having orton punt punk out of the scramble, hes still supposed to be out for a couple of months and by the time he comes back, punk vs the next gen stable could be boring
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:36 pm

At times, the TNA booking is good but at times It just borders stupidity! But you got to be fair, WWE's booking also can be crap at times like you said in your comment, the last night ppv!

I just check Wiki Lux and indeed he got only 12 that is 5 WHC and 7 WWF/E championship!
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 4:38 pm

The question is, who stands next to Punk?

And on the other hand. Punk as champ was boring, cause they looked more than anytime, he's not going to get hurt.. We want the highflyer!!
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 9:11 pm

I thought it was an excellent show, really enjoyed it, possibly the most enjoyable PPV of the year for me.

I thought the scramble matches where a brilliant idea and Iv not changed my mind on them either, i thought they were brilliant and each had me hooked wanting to see who was going to pin who, waiting for things that didn't happen which is a nice surprise.

I thought the Michaels Jericho match was brilliant, I know it ended rather poorly but it fit in with the storyline of just wanting to hurt each other and having no interest in pinning, now obviously its rehearsed however looking at it from a 'real' point of view, the referee has to stop the match if he thinks someone's getting killed in there, I think unsanctioned was just so no one could 'sue' each other or the WWE for any possible injuries

I loved Kendrick, no one doubted his ability, everyone knew he had it, however I thought his size would go against him, he has a bit to go yet and probably a good mid carder with occasions main event appearances on SMACKDOWN! from time to time with the odd higher place card in PPV for another 18 months and have a couple of runs with the US strap, star of the night for me, brilliant performance.

I loved the end of the RAW scramble, thought Jericho would win when he came out and didnt get into the ring, dont get why he was selected though from a keyfabe point of view, he looked as if he was beaten within an inch of his life and was left lifeless in the ring, selecting him just wasn't realistic however I loved the way he won the strap

What happened to Punk?????????? If I didn't know any better I would suggest that the 'straight Edge' could be ready to take a 30 day break!
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 10:46 pm

If this was a TNA PPV I guarantee it would be ripped apart from beginning too end, "shit booking", "clusterfuck", "fire Russo" etc etc.

Why make such a big deal about it being an unsanctioned match if its gonna end in such a lame way? why not just have a street fight? Jericho was being his with a belt.....WOW.

Don't have someone announce BEFORE THE MATCH that "the only way it can end is by pin/submission", if your gonna end it like that.

There are plenty more examples of the shit booking but I can't even be arsed to list them.
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PostSubject: Re: unforgiven good or bad??????????????????????   unforgiven good or bad?????????????????????? EmptyMon Sep 08, 2008 11:13 pm

I think the 'unsanctioned' part came because Michaels doctors 'advised' him to call it a day, meaning in any genuine sport if your doc said that then it would be near on impossible to get cover for the athlete
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